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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 27, 2011 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

Old Rennaisance Faire Grounds Veneta, Oregon

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-08-27.sbd.latvala-eaton-lutch-dankseed.4682.shnf

SET 1
Promised Land 03:06
Sugaree 07:13
Me & My Uncle 03:04
Deal 04:41
Black Throated Wind 06:31
China Cat Sunflower> 07:56
I Know You Rider 06:02
Mexicali Blues 03:35
Bertha 05:44

SET 2
Playin 18:40
He's Gone 08:49
Jack Straw 04:59
Bird Song 12:19
Greatest Story 05:33

SET 3
Dark Star> 31:26
El Paso 04:39
Sing Me Back Home 10:29
Sugar Magnolia 08:33

ENCORES
Casey Jones 06:08
Saturday Night 04:41

Old Rennaisance Faire Grounds Veneta, Oregon

Often Cited as the best/greatest show ever...Is it the "best show ever"?

Yes. It is.

The Dead were performing at an incredible level in 1972 and really honed their trademark sound...this show exhibits all the elements that go into their best performances: setting, sound quality, setlist, performance and intangibles (it was filmed, it was a one of a kind concert, unusually hot day, LSD)...China>Rider, Bertha, Mexicali Blues are standouts from the first set that are as good as it gets... Playin', Bird Song, Dark Star, El Paso, Sing Me Back Home, Sugar Magnolia, Greatest Story (09-28-1972)...a case could be made that this show features the best performances of each respective song...the jams are focused and intense...I see 5-11 as perhaps this shows only competition from 72

I've always found it bewildering that Dick pooped on this show...it might have been hotter than blazes and there are some tuning issues due to the heat, but do watch Sunshine Daydream to really catch on to the vibe that was present that day...this was the Dead's personal Woodstock...

Time to fire up the Bird Song...


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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 27, 2011 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

When even the Mexicali Blues is epic, you know you're in for a special performance. This is simply my favorite Dead show of all time, and easily makes the case for a best-ever performance.

I'll never understand Dick's aversion to this show; I have a hard time respecting his opinion when he call this "one of the most overrated shows ever."

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 27, 2011 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

Of course, the Dead themselves considered this show overrated too! For many years they wouldn't allow an offical release of the movie because they thought the show was subpar & "out of tune"... Go figure.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Aug 28, 2011 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

The show is great. I love it and listen to it all the time....but it is out of tune, at least based on the recording. I know they can get distorted and a little off pitchwise though. Anyway, it's still a sick show and even if they are out of perfect tune who cares? They are in tune with each other and that is what matters.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 27, 2011 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

Promised Land, Deal, China Cat > Rider, Mexicali Blues, Bertha, and Bird Song are played very well. I've listened to them over and over. Dark Star has a free-form jazz jam in there (to my ears). The DS jam is played a bit up-tempo (fast) for this period ('73-ish). So, I would add, "This show is an enigma!"

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 27, 2011 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

I like the Jay Ashley version the best, although not everyone likes the reverb, but I think it makes you feel like you are there. Top 5 Dark Star for sure...Oh and 4-26-72 is the best Europe show.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-08-27.sbd.bertha-ashley.21619.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 27, 2011 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

04-26 is a great show...might pop that in later too...05-11 is just so ridiculously chock loaded...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 27, 2011 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

it would certainly be an even more epic show if Bobby didn't have to resist everyone's choice to play Morning Dew after Dark Star.

I wouldn't say any show is the best ever. But if I could have only a few shows, this would likely be one of them. The dark star is unique and amazing. The china rider is a 72 great. And the GSET is legend.

I just can't get over how amazing the dew would've been had they played it. Listen to the end of dark star, you can hear it.

That being said, I'd rather have seen 9/21/72. Or 10/18 for that matter. But I certainly love 8/27

This post was modified by wisconsindead on 2011-08-27 20:22:51

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 27, 2011 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

We got into this a while ago, Bob's detouring away from Morning Dew, which, if you listen , he di several time in the mid 72 period . El Paso is just not Morning Dew ... It is too bad they didn't go back in to DS (!!) and THEN into Sing Me Back Home ... Still rather heard Morning Dew .
As a matter of fact , there is little in the way of flowing from one song/jam to another , where so much Grateful Dead magic can happen . So for me it is one of the great GD shows , but not the "best" . Frankly I would be hard pressed to pick a best .

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Aug 27, 2011 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

Yeah, I put it up there with the best. Just so many good songs - Bertha, Playin, Birdsong, GSET .... and a bunch of little tunes all played well. I don't love the Dark Star, but you don't have to. Great show.

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Poster: turnphilup Date: Aug 27, 2011 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

No arguments here. But, where is our Blue-ray, remixed and remastered 5.1 sound, director's cut, or an unedited version with deleted scenes and bonus features like interviews with Phil, Bob, and Bill of this show? I am sure Monte would do it for a fair price. Come on Rhino or who ever is holding the goods. Give the fans what they want, and that is more of 1972, but this time with the visual bonus to go with it. Peace

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 27, 2011 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

lol... and we have numerous "other" controversies:

LL admins are deleting posts and threads about what some of the older Tapers are thinking (Bad Bob's "open letter to LL", and a subsequent follow-up thread were removed yesterday.). Imo, these discussions are important to have.

The IA admins here are blowing away the best News Rooms in the 21st century, even though we have so much Corporate Media consolidation. The Archive's 20-channel TV Broadcast ingest, search, and repurposing system blows away anything CNN is doing (or has ever done). Brewster and Prelinger just launched a new "Understanding 9/11" Collection several days ago.

Monte is busted for sharing tapes and provoking thought!

Veneta (Ashley version), Harding Theatre (7 Nov 71), and Strand Lyceum (26 May 72) are the top-three shows in my rotation over these past months. I often listen to my tapes of Dark Star from 10 June 73. The sound quality from my AUD is amazing.

More "GD [missing] video controversy" from 1972 (Europe) is found in this thread.

The "most unusual controversy" I am seeing regards the expensive and new GD Archive at UCSC. Nov 5, 2011 is an exclusive sneak-peek into the riches of the Grateful Dead Archive. Join Archivist Nicholas Meriwether and fellow Deadheads at a special, one night only exhibit marking the public debut of the Grateful Dead Archive at UCSC. Please visit events.ucsc.edu/attics for more information.
My limited observations about Mr. Meriwether and the GD Archives at UCSC Santa Cruz include the fact that Tapers, Taping, and Tapes are NOT (have yet to be) discussed or mentioned there, thus far. How could this possibly be true? (Am I wrong?)


This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2011-08-27 15:34:30

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 27, 2011 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Veneta 1972 - Greatest Dead show?

Re: Cassette Tape Controversy

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